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Jul 07 2013

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Royal Skandia…On The List of Legal Corruption?





The stories of heartache continue rolling in from investors feeling duped by groups like Friends Provident, Zurich International and Generali Vision.  

warningBut it wouldn’t be fair to ignore the horrific costs of Royal Skandia. One Hong Kong based financial rep suggests that 75 percent of investment platforms sold in Hong Kong are insurance linked. Known as variable annuities in the U.S., these products sold in Asia appear far worse than their U.S. counterparts.  

As this South China Post article explains, there’s a long (now very visible) trail of woe in the wake of these schemes.

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andrew hallam

I'm a freelance finance writer, lucky enough to have been nominated as a finalist for two Canadian National Publishing Awards. I'm also the author of Millionaire Teacher: The Nine Rules of Wealth You Should Have Learned in School, a book explaining how I became a millionaire on a teacher's salary, while still in my 30s. Working to empower people financially, I'm available to motivate and inspire people on basic retirement planning and index investing. I'm happy to comment on your questions, first, please read the Terms of Use.

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  1. avatar
    Paulo

    Dear Andrew

    I am a Brazilian living in Brazil.

    First of all, I would like to thank you for sharing so much knowledge with me.

    I love your ideas and would like to apply them with my investments, allocating them in low cost Index Bonds and Index Mutual Local and International Funds.

    We do not have Vanguard in Brazil and I was wondering if you know of any way I could apply your ideas here in my Country.

    Thanks and all the best.

    Paulo

    1. avatar
      Andrew Hallam

      Hi Paulo,

      Try to find out whether you can open a trading account in Brazil, with access to U.S. stocks. I’m guessing you can find one. Make sure the commissions are reasonable, no more than 0.5% for each trade. With such an account, you could build a diversified portfolio of global indexes: one for the Brazilian stock market, a second for the global stock market and an international bond index. Here are links to the exchange traded funds you could buy, once you have access to the New York exchange (which I’m sure you could find via a Brazilian based brokerage)

      Brazil: https://www.google.com/finance?cid=700262
      Global stock index: https://www.google.com/finance?cid=700262
      International bond index: http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ISHG

      You may even be able to find an exchange traded fund representing the Brazilian stock market on the Brazilian exchange. Then you could buy the latter two indexes off the New York, to round out your complete portfolio.

      Cheers,

      Andrew

  2. avatar
    Paulo

    Dear Andrew

    Thank you so much for spending your time and giving me this information. I will check it out and let you know what happened. But since this is coming from my financial advisor, I need to double check it, right?
    Best,

    Paulo

  3. avatar
    Lucio

    Dear Andrew,

    After being approach by a Zurich financial advisor which I refused thanks to you, I’m now approached by another IFA and he proposed me the Royal Scandia Investment Account. This is different from a saving account since it allows you to chose on which fund to invest, so it seems to be free and easy but of course there are fees:
    - 1.4% of the total amount, waived after 8y
    - $150 USD per quarter (fix whatever amount you have)
    - $23 USD per transaction

    He says they have a very nice interface to manage it all, of course you can only enter with a minimum lump sum amount but then it is no compulsory to add anything else. This is for a long term investment and will also advise me the first funds to chose. If then I don’t use the financial advisor, no other fees, otherwise he will take 1%.

    What do you think about it ? I find it more interesting than Zurich or Friends… but still some fees are there.

    Thanks for your advise.

    Lucio

    1. avatar
      Andrew Hallam

      Hi Lucio,

      With financial service firms, you will always be paying fees. The question is, how much should you be paying? Through your Skandia rep, you will be sold a basket of actively managed unit trusts, also known as actively managed funds. These funds will carry hidden costs of roughly 1.75% per year. Then there are other costs on top of those, some of which you have mentioned. Hypothetically, if your sister’s house burns down and you need this money after five years to help her, will you have access to it without penalty? Probably not. And yet, you should. You should NEVER be penalized for taking money out before a pre-determined period. Life can throw us curve balls. Please sign up for my free newsletter to receive my detailed article regarding passive and managed funds, for starters. My book gives an even more detailed account of their differences. Ask your advisor what would happen if you invested $100,000 over 5 years, then wished to remove $80,000. My guess is that you would be penalized. Royal Skandia, so you know, has a reputation for advisors that don’t understand their products and/or make them sound much better than they really are. Have a look at my post here, “Royal Skandia, on the list of Legal Corruption” and read the South China Morning Post article that is linked to it. http://andrewhallam.com/2013/07/royal-skandia-on-the-list-of-legal-corruption/

      Cheers,
      Andrew

  4. avatar
    A Very Foolish Individual

    Dear Andrew,

    I am afraid I have also been duped by an IFA. I am an expat and less than a year into a Friends ILAS and have paid in 12,000 GBP. I sense the best thing to do is cancel my standing order and walk away having learned a very expensive lesson. Is this sensible in your opinion? Can it lead to blacklisting or legal action? I feel like such an idiot – I will do all I can to inform others of my experience.

    Best Regards,
    A Very Foolish Individual

    1. avatar
      Andrew Hallam

      I’m sorry to hear about your experience. How were you sold this product? Did the rep cold-call you, or were they invited into your workplace? You will need to do the math yourself, to determine whether or not you should sell.

      First, find out what your surrender value would be. This is the amount they will give you back if you close the policy. If it leads to blacklisting, it’s the firm that should get blacklisted, not you. I’m writing a book for expat investors, and if you wouldn’t mind, I would like to get some details from you:

      1. What’s the name of the company that sold you this plan?
      2. What did they promise you?
      3. Where are you currently living?
      4. How many (if any) of your friends have fallen for this?

      Thanks for the help. With it, I’ll have more details for my book, and we’ll be able to limit the damage these guys cause in the future by keeping people away from such schemes.

      Andrew

  5. avatar
    Karen

    Hi Andrew

    I am so glad I came across this website. I am an expat also in Singapore. Actually have a term insurance with zurich not skandia and was thinking of getting a regular savings plan for our kids education on suggestions by my adviser. I thought of zurich as ease of managing all policies together.but am glad I came across your advice here. I was also asking around if there were any recommendations among the insurers especially for expats and was told zurich is not in Singapore anymore which is quite worrying for a customer! Any comments or info you might have on this? I read a few articles online that seems to be so??

    Thank you.

    Karen

  6. avatar
    Russell Hammond

    All very interesting stuff. What I haven’t seen any mention of here, though, are the options that advisers have at their disposal when investing their clients into products such as the Royal Skandia bonds.

    So, as an example we do not take commission (I mean.. tell me where the logic is in paying someone for a service eight years in advance of that service being delivered??..utter madness) from Skandia, but select their ‘commission free’ charging structure which has a 0.15%-0.2% p.a charge NO eight year exit penalty and then our adviser charge of 1% of which the clients can avail themselves of at ANYTIME if we do not live up to our promises.
    I am honestly not writing this as an advert for our services, more to highlight that these are not necessarily bad products. The problem is that more often than not, the adviser (if that is the correct term to describe a financial product salesman) selling them has his own interests as his primary modus operandi.

    1. avatar
      Andrew Hallam

      Thanks for the comment Russell. I’m glad to see you recognize the madness of such products mentioned above.

      When you refer to the Skandia bonds, are these fixed income instruments you’re writing about? As such, wouldn’t it be tough to match inflation if they carried total costs of 1.2% per year, with inflation running about 1.5% per year. To break even, I’m guessing they would need to generate 2.7% per year. True?

      Cheers,

      Andrew

  7. avatar
    Russell Hammond

    Hi Andrew, thanks for your message. When I use the term Skandia ‘bonds’ I’m not actually referring to a fixed income asset here, but the wrapper that Skandia make available of which other investments can be housed, or wrapped, within. 99% of advisers use the commission model, we use the commission free model, that Skandia provide – (though of course most clients are unaware that these options are available to advisers).

    Just as you mention fixed interest though, there are plenty of really good fixed income options out there (7.5% fixed – solid UK financial institutions), at the moment, when one takes one’s nose out of the trough of commission paying, costly funds. In fact, where possible (and the above 7.5% is an example), I prefer to have my clients hold the asset directly (with the Skandia wrapper) and cut out the middle man. After all, I need to prove to the client that I am earning my fee by adding value within the investment selection process, in addition to reducing their total expense.

    Other ‘advisers’ will say to me “yeah but if you lose the client, then you lose your fee”. My reply is always, “Yes, and what’s your point?! That is A: the clients prerogative, and B: my incentive to make sure that I am giving the client a wholly client oriented, value added, investment service.’

    1. avatar
      Andrew Hallam

      This is really good to hear Russell. It sounds like you’re a rarity. Congratulations on being such. Your clients are benefitting.

      Andrew

  8. avatar
    Russell Hammond

    Thanks Andrew, as I say to all of my clients, it has never been, nor will it ever be, the case that everything I touch turns to gold; however, there are particular variables that I CAN control – charges, access, flexibility, diversification and genuine care, to name a few.

    Best regards

    Russell

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